12-08-2015, 12:48 AM
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12-08-2015, 12:57 AM
I am, but you knew that.
The problem with packaging hashcat right now, as dropdead and I were discussing, is that hashcat doesn't exactly adhere to the FHS. Basically the hashcat directory is a working directory, and that's rather contradictory to the FHS.
Ideally before we go down the road of Linux packaging, we would re-organize the file structure, such that binaries are in /usr/bin; kernels, rule files, etc. are in /usr/share/hashcat; and user files (pot, restore, induct) are in the user's home directory, e.g. ~/.hashcat).
Otherwise, we basically just have to stuff everything in /usr/share/hashcat and have the user run from that directory as root.
The problem with packaging hashcat right now, as dropdead and I were discussing, is that hashcat doesn't exactly adhere to the FHS. Basically the hashcat directory is a working directory, and that's rather contradictory to the FHS.
Ideally before we go down the road of Linux packaging, we would re-organize the file structure, such that binaries are in /usr/bin; kernels, rule files, etc. are in /usr/share/hashcat; and user files (pot, restore, induct) are in the user's home directory, e.g. ~/.hashcat).
Otherwise, we basically just have to stuff everything in /usr/share/hashcat and have the user run from that directory as root.
12-08-2015, 01:01 AM
Yes, that's correct. I just wanted to start the discussion. I think what we need is a list of paths we'd need to change to make it more compatible.
Btw. this _maybe_ has influence on the windows port, too, but it's not a must. For windows I think people like it as it is (do everything in the installation directory).
Btw. this _maybe_ has influence on the windows port, too, but it's not a must. For windows I think people like it as it is (do everything in the installation directory).
12-08-2015, 01:41 AM
Ok, here's an example of a package manifest for oclHashcat 64bit (truncated in places where repetitive)
And then there's some things that should go along with this,
1. Any file that hashcat writes to (potfile, session files, etc.) should go in ~/.hashcat. I think both hashcat & oclHashcat can share this directory.
2. Should also have ~/.hashcat/rules, ~/.hashcat/masks, etc. for local/user-created files.
3. Default internal search path for rules, masks, charsets, etc. including /usr/share/oclHashcat and ~/.hashcat to help keep command lines short. Can either always search the internal paths first, followed by cwd, or if we detect a file path (e.g. preceding / or ./) skip searching path/cwd.
Code:
/usr/bin/oclHashcat64.bin
/usr/share/docs/oclHashcat
/usr/share/docs/oclHashcat/changes.txt
/usr/share/docs/oclHashcat/contact.txt
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/combined
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/combined/Bulgarian.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/combined/Castilian.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/special
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/special/Castilian
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/special/Castilian/es-ES_ISO-8859-1-special.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/special/Castilian/es-ES_ISO-8859-15-special.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/standard
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/standard/Bulgarian
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/standard/Bulgarian/bg_ISO-8859-5.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/standard/Bulgarian/bg_KOI8-R.hcchr
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/example.dict
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/example0.hash
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/example400.hash
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/example500.hash
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/oclExample0.sh
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/oclExample400.sh
/usr/share/oclHashcat/examples/oclExample500.sh
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra/rules_optimize
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra/rules_optimize/rules_optimize.bin
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra/tab_completion
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra/tab_completion/install
/usr/share/oclHashcat/extra/tab_completion/oclHashcat64.sh
/usr/share/oclHashcat/hashcat.hcstat
/usr/share/oclHashcat/kernels
/usr/share/oclHashcat/kernels/4098
/usr/share/oclHashcat/kernels/4098/amp_a0_v1.llvmir
/usr/share/oclHashcat/kernels/4098/m00000_a0.VLIW1.llvmir
/usr/share/oclHashcat/masks
/usr/share/oclHashcat/masks/rockyou-1-60.hcmask
/usr/share/oclHashcat/masks/rockyou-2-1800.hcmask
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/Incisive-leetspeak.rule
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/InsidePro-HashManager.rule
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/hybrid
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/hybrid/append_d.rule
/usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/hybrid/append_ds.rule
And then there's some things that should go along with this,
1. Any file that hashcat writes to (potfile, session files, etc.) should go in ~/.hashcat. I think both hashcat & oclHashcat can share this directory.
2. Should also have ~/.hashcat/rules, ~/.hashcat/masks, etc. for local/user-created files.
3. Default internal search path for rules, masks, charsets, etc. including /usr/share/oclHashcat and ~/.hashcat to help keep command lines short. Can either always search the internal paths first, followed by cwd, or if we detect a file path (e.g. preceding / or ./) skip searching path/cwd.
12-08-2015, 02:56 PM
I think we should distinguish this task in 2 separate goals:
1. what devs of hashcat/oclHashcat need to change/do to facilitate creation of packages.
2. what the people need to do/know whose goal is to prepare the packages (aka maintainers).
Maybe we should discuss this in 2+ different forum threads in the future (such that there exists a general "packaging" thread, a "package maintainer" thread and an "allow packaging" - only for changes in hashcat/oclHashcat source code - thread).
Here below I only discuss what hashcat and oclHashcat need to change (not what the distro maintainers need to do, i.e. not where THEY - maintainers - need to put the files).
Therefore, my discussion here is only about where oclHashcat/hashcat should try to find the files (and which one it should prefer if there are multiple options or files with same name in different locations).
RULES:
1. if the binaries are being run on a non-unix system (e.g. windows. But should we limit it to Linux? what about osx ?), only use [cwd] for every path (as it was before)
2. always prefer current working directory [cwd] if the binary is directly executed from the current directory (e.g. "./oclHashcat64.bin")
3. if the user just runs "hashcat-cli64.bin" / "oclHashcat64.bin" etc (i.e. by using the PATH variable), do not search in [cwd]
4. developers should prefer to use the non-packaged version (i.e. everything is relative to [cwd]), this also implies that kernels (e.g. when disabling BINARY_KERNEL) should only be in [cwd]
5. for temporary files always prefer the /tmp/hashcat/ folder if it exists
6. a not so important but additional feature we could add is to help the user (directly by modifying the hashcat/oclHashcat source code?) to find .rule/.hcmask files etc for instance at ~/.hashcat/ with some kind of inbuilt tab-completion (or wouldn't it be better to modify /extra/tab_completion/oclHashcat64.sh to do so?) ???
7. (what about paths on OSX with cpu hashcat?) ???
TYPE OF FOLDERS:
profile_folder:
- location: [cwd] or (~/.hashcat/) (or should we use ~/.hashcat/oclHashcat/ and ~/.hashcat/hashcat/)
- list of files:
1. [session].pot
2. [session].log
3. [session].restore (and [session].restore.new)
4. [session].outfiles (DIR)
5. [session].induct (DIR)
6. [session].induct/loopback.[TIMESTAMP]_[RANDOM_NUMBER]
7. *.dictstat
8. *.hcstat
9. kernels/4098/*.kernel ???
packaged_file_folder:
- location: [cwd] or /usr/share/hashcat/
- list of files:
1. kernels/4098/*.llvmir
2. kernels/4318/*.cubin
temporary_file_folder:
- location: /tmp/hashcat/ (preferred!?) or [cwd]
- list of files:
1. temp files used for --remove ([hashfile].old and [hashfile].new)
There might be the need to adapt this guide a little bit. Any suggestion is welcome.
1. what devs of hashcat/oclHashcat need to change/do to facilitate creation of packages.
2. what the people need to do/know whose goal is to prepare the packages (aka maintainers).
Maybe we should discuss this in 2+ different forum threads in the future (such that there exists a general "packaging" thread, a "package maintainer" thread and an "allow packaging" - only for changes in hashcat/oclHashcat source code - thread).
Here below I only discuss what hashcat and oclHashcat need to change (not what the distro maintainers need to do, i.e. not where THEY - maintainers - need to put the files).
Therefore, my discussion here is only about where oclHashcat/hashcat should try to find the files (and which one it should prefer if there are multiple options or files with same name in different locations).
RULES:
1. if the binaries are being run on a non-unix system (e.g. windows. But should we limit it to Linux? what about osx ?), only use [cwd] for every path (as it was before)
2. always prefer current working directory [cwd] if the binary is directly executed from the current directory (e.g. "./oclHashcat64.bin")
3. if the user just runs "hashcat-cli64.bin" / "oclHashcat64.bin" etc (i.e. by using the PATH variable), do not search in [cwd]
4. developers should prefer to use the non-packaged version (i.e. everything is relative to [cwd]), this also implies that kernels (e.g. when disabling BINARY_KERNEL) should only be in [cwd]
5. for temporary files always prefer the /tmp/hashcat/ folder if it exists
6. a not so important but additional feature we could add is to help the user (directly by modifying the hashcat/oclHashcat source code?) to find .rule/.hcmask files etc for instance at ~/.hashcat/ with some kind of inbuilt tab-completion (or wouldn't it be better to modify /extra/tab_completion/oclHashcat64.sh to do so?) ???
7. (what about paths on OSX with cpu hashcat?) ???
TYPE OF FOLDERS:
profile_folder:
- location: [cwd] or (~/.hashcat/) (or should we use ~/.hashcat/oclHashcat/ and ~/.hashcat/hashcat/)
- list of files:
1. [session].pot
2. [session].log
3. [session].restore (and [session].restore.new)
4. [session].outfiles (DIR)
5. [session].induct (DIR)
6. [session].induct/loopback.[TIMESTAMP]_[RANDOM_NUMBER]
7. *.dictstat
8. *.hcstat
9. kernels/4098/*.kernel ???
packaged_file_folder:
- location: [cwd] or /usr/share/hashcat/
- list of files:
1. kernels/4098/*.llvmir
2. kernels/4318/*.cubin
temporary_file_folder:
- location: /tmp/hashcat/ (preferred!?) or [cwd]
- list of files:
1. temp files used for --remove ([hashfile].old and [hashfile].new)
There might be the need to adapt this guide a little bit. Any suggestion is welcome.
12-08-2015, 07:59 PM
I agree with #1-4.
For #5, I'd much rather prefer to see ~/.hashcat/tmp over /tmp/hashcat, if for no other reason than to better enable multiple users to share the same system.
I don't see a reason at this point why hashcat & oclHashcat can't share a working directory, would certainly be a lot more convenient.
For #5, I'd much rather prefer to see ~/.hashcat/tmp over /tmp/hashcat, if for no other reason than to better enable multiple users to share the same system.
I don't see a reason at this point why hashcat & oclHashcat can't share a working directory, would certainly be a lot more convenient.
12-09-2015, 12:06 AM
Suggestions from epix:
- I disagree partially, we need to distinguish between hashcat and oclHashcat on /usr/share/doc/ because of colliding filenames in the docs/* folder
- I disagree to have ~/.hashcat/rules or ~/.hashcat/masks, at least not automatically generated. Of course a user can create this by his own or symlink to /usr/share/hashcat/rules
- I disagree to Default internal search path. I can see it's benefits, but the price for the increased complexity is too high for me.
Suggestions from phil:
- I agree, windows stays as it is
- I like the wording profile folder
- I agree with epix for #5 the tmp should be part of the profile folder, but I don't see the need for such a folder at all (see structure below)
- Let's call us the packaged_file_folder = install folder
- 1.8 (the .hcstat) should be part of install folder
- 1.9 = yes
- We should not try to find out if the binary was called using ./ or via PATH, there should be a different way of finding out whatever type of information this would give us
Some more thoughts:
- Make it simple!
- Make it easy for package maintainer
- We have 3 "types" of folder, 2 of them were named already "profile folder" and "install folder" and I'll add another one called "session folder"
- Here's some structure I have in mind now:
Shared, those files go in /usr/share/hashcat for both hashcat and oclHashcat:
- /usr/share/hashcat/hashcat.hcstat
- /usr/share/hashcat/charsets/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/kernels/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/masks/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/rules/*
Not shared:
hashcat:
- /usr/bin/*.bin
- /usr/share/doc/hashcat/ (stuff from docs/*)
- /usr/bin/*.bin
- /usr/share/doc/oclHashcat/ (stuff from docs/* and example* files)
- /usr/share/doc/oclHashcat/extra/*
The following files are for testing. I'd say we don't copy them at all, they are _only_ part of the source tree:
hashcat:
- examples/*
- test/*
Finally we need to discuss the profile folder. My suggestion:
- ~/.hashcat/$session/hashcat.log
- ~/.hashcat/$session/hashcat.restore
- ~/.hashcat/$session/hashcat.restore.new
- ~/.hashcat/$session/outfiles/
- ~/.hashcat/$session/induct/
- ~/.hashcat/kernels/4098/*.kernel
- ~/.hashcat/hashcat.pot
- ~/.hashcat/hashcat.dictstat
12-09-2015, 12:14 AM
(12-09-2015, 12:06 AM)atom Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree partially, we need to distinguish between hashcat and oclHashcat on /usr/share/doc/ because of colliding filenames in the docs/* folder
Actually I didn't suggest that anything in /usr/share should be shared between hashcat and oclHashcat. I said I see no reason that the working directory (i.e., ~/.hashcat) cannot be shared between the two cats. Paths in /usr/share absolutely should be unique.
(12-09-2015, 12:06 AM)atom Wrote: [ -> ]Shared, those files go in /usr/share/hashcat for both hashcat and oclHashcat:
And this ties in with what I just wrote: these must not (and actually cannot) be shared at all unless you plan to break all of these things out of hashcat/oclHashcat and create an entirely separate hashcat-common package or something. You cannot have two packages that write to the same file path.
12-09-2015, 12:22 AM
Indeed well hashcat-common would be nice, but it's too much at once I think.
So here's the updated suggestion:
hashcat:
oclHashcat (also oclHashcat in the folder names for cudaHashcat):
So here's the updated suggestion:
hashcat:
- /usr/bin/*.bin
- /usr/share/doc/hashcat/ (stuff from docs/*)
- /usr/share/hashcat/hashcat.hcstat
- /usr/share/hashcat/charsets/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/kernels/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/masks/*
- /usr/share/hashcat/rules/*
oclHashcat (also oclHashcat in the folder names for cudaHashcat):
- /usr/bin/*.bin
- /usr/share/doc/oclHashcat/ (stuff from docs/* and example* files)
- /usr/share/doc/oclHashcat/extra/*
- /usr/share/oclHashcat/hashcat.hcstat
- /usr/share/oclHashcat/charsets/*
- /usr/share/oclHashcat/kernels/*
- /usr/share/oclHashcat/masks/*
- /usr/share/oclHashcat/rules/*
12-09-2015, 02:18 AM
That list looks good
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